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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 30, 2007 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: short jams & long jams

A quote from SDH's post that got me thinking:
"I'm listening to the 9/25/81 show I mentioned in the AUD Source thread below and came to a very, very nice Fire, but I quickly thought "Damn, it's only 11 minutes long" ONLY 11 minutes. How spoiled are we that we see a second set tune like Fire or Eyes under 15 minutes we automatically think it must have problems."

This struck me because the same thing happens to me a lot before listening - something like "Geez, this Franklin's only 8 minutes long, how good could it be? They must blow it off." Kind of assuming that the Dead always stretch out the jamming if it's a good show.... But then, I know this isn't always true.
So, I'm wondering about you folks: are there short versions of usually-long tunes that have grabbed you & surprised you? Or, on the other hand, are there super-long versions of jam-tunes which surprise you by how boring they are?

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Dec 1, 2007 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: short jams & long jams

I wouldn't go so far as to say it bores me, but other than the spacey bit in the middle, I've never been all that impressed by the 3rd-longest Cleveland 12-6-73 Dark Star.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Nov 30, 2007 8:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: short jams & long jams

"Or, on the other hand, are there super-long versions of jam-tunes which surprise you by how boring they are?"

I hate to say it, but a lot of the long PITB jams seem to just get boring after a while. Dark Star seems to be able to keep its intensity but PITB just seems like pointless noodling.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Dec 1, 2007 1:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: short jams & long jams

I think this is a bit general to say..

jams are subjective to the mood the band was in, and the era it was played in..

I have heard many PITB's that have crescendos and structure to them..

and i have heard -many- noodley dark stars..




as for short jams... it's not a jam.. but I hear people sometimes say they like a long jack straw. the jack straw from 10/29/77 its only 5 minutes long, but it's the most ripping version i've heard yet

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 30, 2007 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: short jams & long jams

Hmm, the 46-minute Playing from 5/21/74 must not be your favorite!

Anyway, the Playing jams from those years do have a different "feel" from the Dark Star/Other One jams, but I don't have the musical language to describe it. It's always a joy when they slowly creep back to the theme, though.

The Playings from early '72 - the Academy of Music and Europe - only being about 10 minutes, you'd think they'd feel truncated, but most of them really breathe fire & fury in the jam, Jerry was smoking in that tune before they started stretching it out!

For me, by '77 Playing had mostly fallen into the "pointless noodling" category, and mostly stayed there thereafter. But I have not heard all the Brent versions, I know there are good ones.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 30, 2007 9:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: short jams & long jams

ever hear the 2:30 studio version of dark star? some things just don't work right when they are as short as tito's dick.